FAQ: What about *pallid* Agapornis fischeri?

FAQ: What about *pallid* Agapornis fischeri?

The first reports we received about the possible existence of a *pallid* Agapornis fischeri originate from 2016. Now a days, there are several reports of enthusiasts who believe they have pallid Agapornis fischeri in their collection and of course that leads to many discussions.

Pallid is a SL recessive mutation, that gives a visual reduction of +/- 50% of the eumelanin, the young birds have red eyes during the first few days and important: this mutation is allelic with SL ino. In genus Agapornis we have a pallid mutation in Agapornis roseicollis.

The problem is that the birds that we saw are always combined with many other mutations. Till now, I have not yet seen a pure bred *pallid green* Agapornis fischeri. We absolutely need these pure bred pallid greens to be able to test the phenotype against the descriptions of pallid. It is therefore difficult for us to draw preliminary conclusions. So, I can only encourage the owners of these birds to try to breed this *pallid* in a pure green form. That will help us a lot.

We should also keep in mind that there is a proven pale mutant in Agapornis fischeri and that it also inherits SL, is allelic to SL ino and is born with red eyes. These pale birds have a more limited eumelanin reduction than the pallid (+/- 20% visual reduction). So the chance that people confuse it with pallid is also possible, especially when pale is combined with other eumelanin reducing mutations such as opaline, pastel, dominant edged etc….

As always, time will tell and remember: even then, only DNA research can tell us what mutation it really is.

10 comments

  1. Dear Dirk,
    Thank you very much for these clarifications. Really, great confusion can be made between the pale mutant (especially when it is non-pure and combined with other eumelanin mutants) and the *pallid* in Agapornis fischeri. I agree that more time and more study are needed to draw the right conclusions.

    Thank you for bringing up this subject.
    Best regards.

  2. I have few birds and will breed with pure greens this year and will report the chicks as they born. I have pale birds too and can see the reduction is way less than a * Pallid * bird. Pallid Fischeri has very similar pattern to pallid Roseicollis and have +-50% reduction

  3. Pale isn,t born with red eyes, *pallid* yes and become darken after a few day.. but the eyes will never reach/ have normal eye colour (the eyes became Red Retina)

    1. Homozygote pale birds are born with dark red eyes. This is typical for most SL mutations (and some autosomal recessive mutations).
      The only mutation I know for now where the retina stays dark red at, least the first months, is the autosomal recessive faded mutation that we know in budgerigars.

      1. Sir Dirk,
        It is possible to show us the real phenotype of the fadded mutation in lovebirds. I searched for this mutation but unfortunately no photos are available in net or in your book that i have one.

        Thanks a lot.
        Soufiene.

  4. Dear sir,
    With this article I have got confirmation that still things are not confirmed as people are claiming so better is to be claim breed with green wild type to confirm it,

  5. Hello Dirk,
    A wonderful article with quite perfect timings. I believe BVA and it’s associated entities (across different countries and especially in Asiain Sub-Continent) are doing some awareness around this.

    This education and true knowledge is very important to keep up the genetics, mutations and new breeders enthusiastic.

    Appreciate if you can do some follow-up articles on this same topic.

    How about having a Webinar Dirk?

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